For those people who are looking to advance their careers by earning a master’s degree, I think there are better options than HES. Online certificate. However, SPS offers Master of Science degrees in actual distinct majors such as Actuarial Science, Applied Analytics, Bioethics, Technology Management, and more (17 majors in total). In the real world, extension school graduates attempt to trick hiring managers all the time, and succeed enough that this is quite possibly a successful strategy. I couldn’t help but laugh at him – someone who doesn’t know me who had never met me before wants to pick a fight with me over my educational choices? I take the same classes as the Harvard Students at the same time as the Harvard Students. Because these are not factual. in Computer Science. I choose the extension school because I am getting a great education at a reasonable price. Earn Harvard Graduate certificates in 3 to 5 courses to gain an advantage in your career. I have my own experience. A certificate is ideal for people attempting to move up in their current field because the courses can be completed on a part-time basis, allowing many to continue working full time. It is widely published that 5 percent see the program through and earn a Harvard University degree. Or be confident and proud and list your degree how you want to as long as your not lying. Each one consists of several courses. I don’t know what to advise about resumes, but I know I wear the HES t-shirt. I got my ALM back in the mid-1990s before the internet – so I took all my classes on campus. One fact that is always interestingly missing from these discussions is that for whatever reason in many systems, the university even labels GSAS students as Harvard University where other students are labeled with the College or specific school. Although in Latin, the degree is from Harvard University not Harvard University Extension School (just like every other Harvard school degree which doesn’t list the individual school), it states that it is being conferred by the President and Fellows of Harvard College (just like every other Harvard school degree), and has the University crest on it, not the HES crest (just like every other Harvard school degree doesn’t have the individual school crest). If the selection before entering the school , then it is difficult to qualified the school. As a proud HES student, my answer to that question is a simple “yes.” Whatever quality differences, if any, actual or perceived, exist between HES and other Harvard schools is something for the prospective employer to decide upon. in Computer Science. Even if you think it will not add much value to your resume, you should go for the certificate if you can. There are over 140 online Harvard courses you can audit for free through edX. Choose from individual courses, certificates, or degree programs to continue your education: It’s that time of year again—when we channel our long-held aspirations into shiny New Year’s Resolutions. I love the on-campus classes and the ability to mix on-campus and online. But there are also professors from other schools in the Boston area. Online courses offer unparalleled flexibility, particularly for undergraduate students trying to learn a new skill outside of their major or working professionals already juggling a full-time job. 1) The world is now wisely accepted the value of online education: back in the 1990s, people have questioned the value of online-education as it is new and unproven. Rather than spend our days as keyboard warriors condemning an institution we can only hope to complete a degree in , we’re making a difference in both a professional and academic context. I wish you the best and hope you find peace in spreading positivity rather than hatred. I’m a little confused as to why this is an issue in the first place. As I have said many times in the past, HES grads should be proud of what they have accomplished and be proud to list “Harvard Extension School” on their resumes. Currently, considering HES. 1. I’m a little confused as to why this is an issue in the first place. It is what it is; it’s not anything to be ashamed of, but by the same token, it’s not 40 or 50 classes competing against all those elite brainiacs at age 18-21. 7 minute read. However, if you want only happy talk about the Extension School, you’ve come to the wrong place. But, HES is not quite so good when it comes to adding the prestigious “Harvard” name to one’s resume. I think the preparation I’ve received in my field has been solid. Yes. In my opinion, if you mention for example Master in liberal Art, concentration in Management, Harvard University. I would recommend you the ALM management program, as clearly you lack key managerial and decision-making skills. (View the courses.) GODSPEED. Here comes to a question: Is that enough to build the reputation? Can these bullet points possibly plant a seed of doubt in the mind of a hiring manager who come across this? Now I’m ready, the extension courses through HES and the HGSE are a lot of work, and so rewarding. Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies: I wasn’t — at the time I had a pretty good job in tech media and a young family, and becoming an analyst required moving to Washington, D.C. Another thing that may help graduates get noticed are automated resume processing programs that search for specific keywords or phrases, which may include the name of famous universities … such as Harvard. You brought up the example, “If I had an MBA from Harvard, I would just list ‘Harvard University’ with MBA — no reason to list ‘Harvard Business School’ unless I wanted to.” Most Harvard MBAs I know *do* list “Harvard Business School” on their CVs. Thank you for being up front about your Harvard Extension School association, too. Complete the courses within three years. Read the thread to learn the various viewpoints. You mean the ones where people buy their way in? I have completed my MSc and have been working abroad for sometime now. Grow up. Certificate courses. RE: transparency with degrees, a professionally minded individual lists university, degree, concentration, and college name-address for ease of degree verification. Not because HES is better or I am smarter, it’s just that they have spent 5-8 years in school afger their undergrad and I have been building a successful career during that time. Many course providers encourage students to take the paid certificate option at enrollment. In this case, there are differences between Harvard and Columbia. When coupled with the outrageous sticker costs of attending college in person, that’s when smaller and less selective universities will start closing in earnest. Longer term, what the ALM in Management should strive for is building its own faculty solely focused on the needs of Extension School students, conducting research, and publishing. And I am pretty sure that Oxford itself would quell any discussion and doubt itself right from the outset not to let its reputation slip into miscredit. It is not a lesser degree, nor should it require any additional explanation in its presentation in society or on resumes. Sometime we need to be reminded of what is important, and as you said, the most important thing is getting it done. Why is there one standard for HES alumni and then another one for the other Harvard schools alumni? I’ll start with the positive evaluations, followed by some of the negative takes: I’m a hiring manager and I would hire an HES graduate any day of the week. We are full-time employees of Wells Fargo, Google, IBM, DOD,etc. Learn about the market for graduate certificates, and discover the differences between a certificate and degree. -Include field of study, minor, and degree honors when applicable. This is puzzling. I’ve yet to meet a graduate who writes poorly. What this means is McKinsey or Bain won’t regard an HES ALB or ALM in Management grad the same way they will treat a recent Harvard College AB or HBS MBA recipient. What Is edX? Mil gracias for your thoughts and insight. Getting into the Extension School is easier than getting into the regular AB, MBA, etc. Aside from the many practical considerations, the decision to earn a master's... 1/15/2019 And even skilled jobs are at risk of becoming obsolete as these technologies evolve, according to the report. We of Harvard College proper out-earn the ‘extension school‘ rabble by several times. PLEASE SHARE THIS POST VIA FACEBOOK, LINKEDIN, TWITTER, OR EMAIL! Do Your Research . I am still able to travel the world and work while obtaining my degree. I can’t! Faculty tend to be from other universities — looking at the first page of the faculty directory, I see Hult International Business School, Southern New Hampshire University, and many people working in industry. I’ve been blogging about the Extension School for 15 years, and write not only about the good things (such as the school raising admissions standards for professional programs including the ALM Management), but also the not-so-good things. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, as I have described in my article about the “Harvard Instructor” requirement. So Extension is not the complete outlier many internet “experts” often proclaim. For those people who are those “life-long learners” who just love to take classes, I think HES is a great option. This identity crisis topic has gotten so much unwarranted attention over the years, I’ve noticed, and people on the internet wind themselves up SO MUCH about the Extension School vs GSAS vs College vs Whatever hand-wringing, I just have to pitch in here: It’s way overblown and everyone would be happier and more productive if they stop trying to pigeonhole themselves and others so much. The central administration (Massachusetts Hall, headed by President Bacow) works with a very public voice but a light touch on matters concerning individual schools and programs. I think the confusion over the names is Harvard’s intention. Median salary … after having earned a graduate certificate. :DEGREE NAME Knowing that it would lose income, Harvard perpetuates the fraud of its own creation. For prospective students having trouble deciding between a degree and a certificate, stackable credentials make it easy to start with smaller goals before making the leap to a master’s. It’s been my experiences that society tends to look down on the Extension School degree (this includes potential clients) rather than a “normal” degree. That endowment is for the entire harvard university system. Why would studying at ANY school, be it Harvard, HES or Bumblebee Community College, make the student a fraud?? How is the person tricking you? So, when someone puts down the “Harvard”, he or she is implying all of these other benefits that are only partially available, especially to distance students. If the reputation of harvard is made on the selection and not the class, then why people bother to do harvard? Additionally, many of our liberal arts students earn a certificate to prepare for further studies or to enrich themselves personally. There is no point to having Harvard “legacy” connections when applying to any Harvard Extension School programs. Offered in partnership with edX, will this “micromaster” degree from MIT in conjunction with an ALM degree from HES be looked as a “backdoor” to achieving a certified degrees from both MIT and Harvard? Point #3: The Harvard Extension School most definitely requires “Extension” to be included somewhere in the degree description, although it’s impossible to enforce. While you guys are fretting, Harvard is laughing at all of you and cashing in at the bank. Do you then believe that College degrees are devalued? And none of these other options give you a degree in “Extension Studies”, but instead you can earn actual degrees in computer science, analytics, data science, systems engineering, bioinformatics, and more. No one on either side of the debate is claiming that HES students are frauds. If someone says they are a Harvard College student that is an HES student, then they are a liar, but if they say they are a Harvard University student, they are. You should take into account the return on investment for entering into any of these programs, and whether the certificate is worth it at the end. There’s a great deal of money to be made with extension studies, and to think the colleges are thinking primarily for the students welfare is down right foolish. For example, suppose you are taking a program having five individual courses. And frankly, since HES is not a school or program with a specific academic focus, it is less important to list it. B.Sc from top public engineering schools. Learn more today. After quite some research it became clear that most (nearly all!) These data would go a long way to validate the (equal?) So there is “open applications” to Harvard college–many students apply on a lark. Pursue your passion. Harvard University. Lots of colleges offer evening or summer master’s programs (often with more lax requirements), and I’ve never heard of another one that would like to require the graduates of said programs to flag them on their resumes as different unless the actual title of the degree is different. People can argue about anything… HES gives clear guidelines on documenting the achievement. This is precisely the case. You sit in the same classrooms as “regular” Harvard students and you put in the same time. Bachelor [or Master] of Liberal Arts, Harvard University Extension School. a graduate of Harvard extension is considered a Harvard Alumni with all its benefits. Harvard offers a variety of open learning opportunities, including online courses and modules. So in my view the onus is on Harvard to clarify its position in order to clean up the mess and the confusion once and for all. Is it worth it? I will follow the published guidelines for documenting my achievement. I think it’s a great educational opportunity if it can translate to career opportunities. Going Back to School I’m a 31 year old husband and father of two, currently active duty military, who always had the brains but never the funds to pursue an education at this level- but now I do, with the GI Bill, and reading this really motivated me for the program I’m about to start in June. It’s actually better and it because of many point. My first HES class was actually a creative writing class. This is puzzling. Most of the value in a Harvard college degree derives from the fact that you were admitted. True, an HES graduate degree is not the same as a GSAS graduate degree in the same way that a GSAS graduate degree is not the same as an HSG graduate degree, which is not the same as an HMS graduate degree, itself not the same as an HDS degree and so on. I work for a Google-backed startup and am pretty sure my studies at Harvard helped me get my job. There is a great deal of money to be made running Harvard College (endowment $40 billionish and rising). Then I guess you have a better brand that doing a regional school and a good MBA. The certificate is included in the course costs and your identity will be verified. This has caused far enough ruckus and confusion. #2) Many traditional universities will be closed down: there is a trend that many traditional universities are downsizing or bankrupting. Ding ding ding “no other school has guidelines for listing your degree.”, Is a degree from Harvard Extension considered to be a degree from Harvard University? programs. Outright claiming a specific school that is not HES is unethical. I completely agree with DK that the most important thing about higher education is the learning itself. If not why HES should be obligated to do so? Did you know that you could earn a certificate from Harvard, Stanford, or Cornell without leaving your house and without having to meet rigorous enrollment requirements?Several prestigious schools offer open-enrollment distance learning certificate programs targeted to working professionals that don't have time for lengthy residencies. Once again, all HR, people or ex students that did not agree with the Harvard University degree when it’s come the MLA BLA from HES are just ignoring the fact that HES is a part of Harvard University and not something else as Harvard Business Review or Harvard online Hdx. That said, we have access to professors who are regular faculty at Harvard, so the opportunity to learn and achieve at the highest level is there, if the student wishes to take advantage of it. I am looking into studying at Harvard University. If DCE was to become its own independent school’s, they would be able to have somewhat more freedom to modernize the name. All of the seven courses I’ve taken so far have been from tenured (or tenure track) Harvard professors. Best of luck to you as well! I have found it to be an incredibly worthwhile investment and the most rewarding and challenging educational experience I have ever had. I came across this thread because I’m helping my wife search for a good graduate school. But don’t mistake a grad certificate for an easy résumé builder. So, I use Harvard University for my credentials! They do have standards when it comes to grammar and writing. For everyone who wants to learn practical skills or to simply better themselves, I am thankful that HES exists. Yet no one would require a student with an Ed.D. I know that many government jobs in the United States are also agnostic about whether the degree was obtained online or in a classroom. I urge anyone in these programs to make every effort to take actual classes with Harvard faculty when such courses are available. Just because a HES student made the choice to study at HES does not make that student a fraud. HES is awesome and is the future. On that regard, getting a graduate certificate, such as one in data science, from Harvard Extension School would be considered accredited. But I do have to reply to that hilarious comment from “Taylor” above. I school can’t tell you how to list your degree as long as you don’t lie about. Many will probably catch up and out pace me and many wont. And, the Harvard graduate school of arts and science only offers a PhD in English, so a person seeking a terminal MA degree would benefit from Harvard Extension. Whether its free courses on literature or premium business courses for executives, there's something for everyone. Thanks for your comment and sharing your perspective from the UK. With that said, I find the University’s stance on this topic to be bizarre. Unless changes are made, HES will continue to become a less compelling option for many people looking to advance their careers via a master’s degree. Being not the same does not imply inferior, it’s just NOT THE SAME. Many people choose to ignore the guidelines and use “Harvard University,” sometimes to mislead or obfuscate the origin of their degree. That IS fraud. By claiming that you somehow have earned a “different” type of Harvard degree is underhanded and seriously elitist. Just me though…. Insisting that everyone write “Extension School” serves to create a second-class atmosphere around the degree that is undeserved, particularly with the number of meaningless Master of Arts degrees Harvard hands out anyway. That is a little bit different than saying “the Extension admission rate for ALB is 32 percent according to former Dean Lambert”. Here’s the key: if you want to attend Harvard to improve yourself, don’t spend time thinking about it, just GET IT DONE. Not the college. It’s factual, harvard Extension school is 1 of the 12/13 school of harvard university. This person lied on their resume and should be appropriately denounced. Much of the success of Harvard students comes from the fact that they were high achievers anyway, they are likely to come from families with other social benefits such as money, connections, and general know-how, and they form connections at school that can last a lifetime. (And the degree IS in this case, which serves to identify the program uniquely on a resume.). This rate is far higher than a number of other Harvard masters and well below others. Likewise, no school at Harvard University other than HES grants an ALB or ALM. Does anyone think graduating from an ALM program would help get into HBS? Across fields, the most common reasons Harvard Extension students pursue a graduate certificate are to deepen their expertise and advance in their current career. Agreed. Do the students of other schools under Harvard also under the obligation to mention the name of their schools? It should also be for international students btw doing a good local school or even local online degree like for Example FGV in Brazil, University or paris online, london university, university of the people and Harvard extension school Bachelor in liberal Art??? The Harvard University Extension program offers Graduate and Undergraduate degrees that require on campus time. Sounds like people seem to think you can drop your life and move to Cambridge. Perhaps more than a few of the “traditional” alumni are butthurt that internet was not around when they attended. Rating: 4.8 out of 5. I’ve been on the faculty at USAFA for the past two years. !function(e,t,s,i){var n="InfogramEmbeds",o=e.getElementsByTagName("script")[0],d=/^http:/.test(e.location)? What would bring a better branding for the one who get graduated. John, The latest “MA Anthropology – Harvard,” which after a little checking (we have learned to ALWAYS be suspicious), ends up being an MLA with a concentration from HES. There are many data-science-specific programs that offer certificates of completion. It is your knowledge that is very cute to post for HES. I would hope that someone evaluating my resume would simply see Harvard as higher in status than someone that has a MFA from a regionally accredited online college or a master’s degree in English from a local college such as Eastern Kentucky University or Morehead State University. Prof Clayton Christensen of HBS predicted that -“Half of American Colleges will be bankrupt in 10 to 15 years” because the cost-effective of online education drive them out of business. I guess I understand the concern for a fresh new grad with no experience, but as an experienced professional, I’d be taken aback if someone wanted to know the specifics of which college my degree came from. The “recruiter” who is consumed by the form used on a resume instead of talking about experiences from a great academic program. Ultimately your personal circumstances and field of interest will determine which is best suited to you. This discussion is splitting hairs about resumes. Completing a degree at Harvard Extension is no easy feat. The Agency loaned me to the Dept. Here’s the important thing: Your education should help you reach your goals. Going Back to School A graduate certificate can help you meet those expectations by expanding your industry knowledge and allowing you to keep your skills relevant and updated. They offer a verified certificate of completion for $90. So does the above logic also imply that Harvard need not really take teaching law seriously? Across fields, the most common reasons Harvard Extension students pursue a graduate certificate are to deepen their expertise and advance in their current career. It is a legitimate Harvard University degree, and its title (if given correctly on a resume) identifies uniquely what program it relates to, and the employer can query its admissions or degree requirements or anything else if said employer finds it necessary. I’m a frequent hiring manager who has seen this many times. I could go on. Chinese foreign policy analysis using computer-based research, Harvard Extension School résumé guidelines are bogus. But there are more than a few managers out there who have been burned by HES grads misrepresenting their degrees: As somebody who has personally on-boarded somebody claiming an HES degree as a HGSAS degree, I can tell you that this is pure bullwack. from Harvard, and those in academia knew the standards of his program were different, and he was viewed accordingly. Because — with the exception of a handful of terminal master’s programs — that means generally one of two things: (1) the person decided to quit the Ph.D. program, so was awarded a consolation “terminal master’s” (and thus has questionable commitment to scholarly endeavors) or (2) the person flunked some aspect of their qualifying exams or other upper-level requirements and was kicked out of the Ph.D. program and given a master’s as a consolation prize. You are so wrong it isn’t even funny. A graduate certificate is a postgraduate credential that, much like a graduate degree, is focused on a specific field of study. What employers think about Harvard Extension School degrees. The online class will be better than IRL. Once they saw my experience and activities they were drooling. I’ll admit that I didn’t even know there was a Harvard Extension School until a few years into my graduate studies at Harvard, but it is no more or less part of Harvard than any of the other schools. Don’t think they would penalize folks like us simply for not taking the class on campus. Thank you for this awesome and well supported argument. It is too specific, and I currently feel I do not wish to work as a researcher/professor in the future. Heck, edX offers $10K master’s degrees from Georgia Tech, a top 10 engineering school. Mike, there are opportunities to join cross-campus student groups and other activities, but you have to work at it. It was on his terms to learn CV indications in no doubt what was unfamiliar territory for Los Angeles based entertainment firms’ HR. I would like to hear your comment about the outcome of this future. On my resume, for example, I list my degree as University Name, B.S. But it’s online (mostly), so that makes it unique? Basically you have a Liberal Arts Masters with a specialization in English. Get in touch today to see what the future may hold for you. My employer didn’t give a crap about my schooling. The debate at hand is: Is an HES student who attempts to pass off his/her degree as one from “Harvard University” without making it explicitly clear that the degree is from HES a fraud? I would argue it is MORE common for people to list XYZ University as Universities rather than Colleges have become to standard in post-secondary education. They offer MSc and DPhil degrees while the Mst is the second part of the master’s degree (with the PGCD being the first part). Learning online is like learning on book and video, then you need to meet people to do something real. I am an international student and have one year of business experience. Again, the degree alone doesn’t define you so just be confident and list HES on your resume! I feel a lot of the comments on this issue are skirting (avoiding) answering the direct question…is the degree from Harvard Extension comparable to the one from Harvard College, both in regards to academic rigor and cache carried? 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